Season 5, Episode 4: Stones in the Road

Women aren’t less ambitious as some have recently suggested - they’re navigating a rocky path and workplaces that make ambition harder to express and success harder to find. In this episode, Cathy and Deborah break down the 2025 Women in the Workplace report with their signature mix of humor, data, and straight talk. From the broken rung to sponsorship gaps, AI inequities, flexibility stigma, and the invisible weight of caregiving, they unpack what’s continuing to obstruct the path for women - and why the “ambition gap” narrative misses the point. They also share practical steps leaders and organizations can take to build workplaces where ambition is possible, visible, and supported.